Class Date: 01/26/09
Chapter: 3
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Summary:

abhi tak -
Sansar rupi dukh aur us se bachane ke upay

Q. Sanar main dukh hai ya hum main dukh hai?A.Jeev svayam dukhi hai, dusro ko dukhi dekh vah kheta hai sansar main dukh hai.
Kyonki sansar avasta main vah dukhi hota hai so jeev kheta hai sansar main dukh hai.
- Sukh bhi svayam main hi utpan hota hain.

Q. Kis prakar ka dukh
A. Karma rup avastha se jeev dukhi hai.

bahirang dukh se bachne se jeev dharma ki saran main aata hai vahan use acharya sarvagya antarang ke dukh ki baat batate hain aur us se nivaran karne ke upay batatain hain. Sirf narak/tiryanch/manusya ke dukho se bachane ka upay swarag na batake use pram sukh (moksh) ka upay batatain hain.

Q. Darshan mohaniya se utpan hone vali avastha kaisi hoti hai?
A. Jaisa hai vesha nahin manta aur jaisa nahin hai vesha manna - viprit shradhan/manyata. Mithyatva sansar/dukh/rag-dvesh ka mul hai so hame dikhai nahin deta per mithyatava ke karan utpan hone vali kashay (rag-dvesh) dikhai deti hain. Jab tak mithyatva namak mul nahi mitega rag-dvesh chutainge nahin.

Q. Dukh se bachne ke liye jeev kya upya karta hai?
A. Kashayo ki purti karna chata hai. Karya ki sidhi main sukh manta hai.

Q. Kya yah upay sachain hai?
A. Nahin.

Q. Kyon jhoote hai?
A.
- Ek padarth dusre padarth ko parinamith nahin kar sakta. Karya ka hona to bhavi tavya ke adhin hai.
- Jo upay karta hai vah bhi jeev ke adhin nahin hain. Jeev anek upay karta hain lekin ban nahin pata.
Bottom line - Neither result nor process are jeev ke adhin. Dono bhavi tavya ke adhin hai.

Q. To phir Jeev ke dukh jab dur hone honga tabhi honga. Dukh dur hona bhi to bhavi tavya ke adhin hai na?
A. Aisa hai lekin sarvatha nahin hai. Hum kuch bhi na kare to dukh kaise dur hoga? Yahan purushart ki pradhanta hai. Yahan bhavi tavya ki bat karmo ke tivra uday ke context main kahi hai. Jab jeev ke karmo ka uday tivra hota hai to vahan purshart karne par bhi outcome is not positive.

Q. Hamare purusharth karne per bhi hamari ruchi dharma main kyon nahin lagati?
A. Tivra mohaniya ka uday ho to chahain jitana purusharth kare lain vaha karya kari nahin hota. Agar hamara upyog dharma main lage ho aur mand kasay ka uday ho to purusharth karya kari hota hai.

Q. Jaisa jeev chata hai vaisa hi ho jay to puniya ka uday hai ya paap ka uday hai?
A. Hai to puniya ka uday par vah aise mithya shardhan ko strong kar deta hai ke per padarth mere adhin hai. Karan to tivra puniya hi hai lekin vah viprit manyata ko utpan karta hai.

Q. To uska upay kya hai?
A. Tatva vichar karna chahiye. Vastu ka jaisa swaroop hai use vesa hi janna chahiye.
Padarth isth-anisth nahin hota us ka vichar karna chahiye. Karma theory samjh kar us ka chintan karna chahiye. Sva-par ka bhed-vigyan ka vichar karna chahiya. Aise vicharo se karmo ka kshayopsham hoga. Yahi dukh dur karne ka and moksh prapt karne ka sacha upay hai. Is upay ke alava baki sare upay juthain hai. pooja, upasna, vrat, svadhyay, tap ityadi aise vicharo ke sangati main lane ke upay hai.

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Q. Ichit karya hone se jeev sukhi hota hai?
A. Nahin. Ichit karya karne se sukhi nahin hota parantu vah karya hone se ksay ka upsaman hota hai vah sukh ka karn hai. Jabtak jeev yah nahin manega ke vah padartho se nahin balki vishay/icha/kasay se dukhi ho raha hai, us ki drasthi vastavik sukh ki taraf nahin jayegi.
- Rag-dvesh hi dukh ka mul karan hai.

Q. Kasay ke upsaman se kya jeev sukhi ho jayega?
A. Agar Kak-talin nyay se jeev jaisi icha kare aur us se vesahi upay jo jay aur use ichit parinam bhi mil jaye to bhi vah sukhi nahin hota kyonki jeev ke kasay/ichain vahan ruk nahin jaati. Ek kasay sant hote hi dusari utpan ho jaati hai hence sukh bhi nahin rukta aur dukh vaisa ka vaisa bana reheta hai. Ek samay matra bhi jeev nirakul nahin reheta.
- Yahan ksay = tivra kasay ki hai
- mand kasay main puniya uday ke karn aakulta bhasit nahin hoti.
- Kak-talin nyay - rare coincidence

Q. Kya mand kasay tivra kasay se acchi hai?
A. Tivra kasay se to acchi hai. Mand kasay bhi dhire dhire nasth honi chahiye varna agar mithyatva andar pada hua hai to thode samay bad (pratikulta milte hi) mand kasay tivra kasay main parivartan hua bina nahin reheti.
example - Dev/Shastra/Guru ka nimit milne se jeev mand kasayi hota to hai per sirf vyavahar shradhan hi karta hai to thode samay bad jaise ka tesa ho jata hai.

Bottom line - Universal panacea for happiness is mithyatava ka naash.