Monday, April 27, 2009

chap-4 : Page-88 : Mithyagyaan ka swaroop.

Class Date: 04/27
Chapter: 4
Page#: 88
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Recorded version: 04-27-2009_Chap4_MithyaGyaan#4.mp3

Summary:

This year akshay-tritiya parva was on 04/27

Q. Akshay tritiya ka parva kya hai?
A. Vartaman ke sabse phele tirthinkar Rishab dev ko aahar ka vichar ane paschiat 6 maas tak aahar nahi mila since no one knew the right process for the same. Raja Shreyans ko purva bhav samaran se aahar ki vidhi pata chali aur phir unhone Rishab dev ko aahar diya. Raja Shreyans 'Daan' dharma ke pravartak huae. Isi upshlak main Akshay tritiya ka parv manaya jata hain.

Rishab dev dharm tirth ke pravartak huae aur Raja Shreyans 'Daan' dharma ke pravartak huae.

Q. Daan kitne prakar ke hote hai?
A. Daan 4 prakar ke hote hai.
1. Aushadi
2. Abhay
3. Saashtra (Gyaan)
4. Aahar

Recap

Q. What is Mithya-gyaan?
A. Prayojanbhoot jivadi tatvo ko ayathart janana so mithiyagyaan hai.

Ayathart: Prayojanbhut tatvo ko janane main Sansay, Viparya and/or Andhyavasay hona.

Q. Agam ka gyaan samyak gyaan hai ya mithya gyaan?
A. Shrdahn hai to samyak gyan hi nahin to mithya-gyaan hai.

Q. Aisa kyon?
A. Even though gyaan baraber ho raha hai shradhan nahin hoga to agam gyaan se bhi prayojan (samyaktava ki/Sukhi hone ka) ki siddhi nahin hoti hai so ise mithya gyaan kaha. Abhipray ki vipritta se gyaan main viprita kahi. Agar isi gyaan se sacha shradhan ho jay aur abhipray ki viprita mit jaye to vah samyaktva ka nam pata hai.

Q. Is there a difference between mithya-gyaan of a kumati and the one described above?
A. Kumati wale ka to gyaan viprit hi ja raha hai jab ki agam padhane wale ka janane main to sansay, viparya ya andhyavasay to nahin hai per abhipray main vipritta hai, as soon as jaisa jana hai vese shradhan ho jayega to vahi gyaan samyak gyaaan nam payega. Kumati wale ko to sabse phele gyan thik kar na hai (7 tatvo ka gyan karna hoga) uske bad shradhan/abhipray thik karna hoga.
For kumati, it is 2 step process but agam padhane wale has already cleared step-1 so for him it is single step process.

Q. Mithyatva main jaise daru-lata hai vaisa samyaktva main bhi hai kya?
A. Kshayik aur Opshamik to gaada. Kshyopshamik main malinta hai but that is different compared to that of mithyagyaan. It is like mithyagyaan main kale range ke shades hain aur kshyopshamik main shradhan to nirmal ho gaya hai so white rang ke shades hain.

Q. Gyaan hone se shradhan hota to samyak gyaan ko phele kehena chahiye aur samyak dharshan to badme kehena chahiye kya?
A.
1. Gyaan ko phele kehena : Jahan janane ki apeksha hai wahan to jaane bina shradhan nahin hoga, yahan gyaan karan hai aur shradhan karya hai so gyaan phele kehete hain.
2. Shradhan ko phele kehena : Jahan Mithytva aur Samyaktva ki baat hain wahan shradhan ke karan gyaan mithyatva ya samyaktva ka nam pata hai so phele shradhan ko khete hai aur phir gyaan ko khete hai. (samyak darshan, samyak gyaan, samyak charitra).
3. Gyaan-Shradhan ko saath main kehena : Samyak darshan (sachha shradhan) hote hi gyaan samyak ho jayega (dono main karan-karya pana/sahakari karan hai).

chap-4 : Page-88
Q. Mityadarshan se hi gyaan mithyagyaan ka nam pata hai to sirf mithyadarshan ko hi sansar ka karan kehena tha. Gyaan main alag se to koy visestha nahin hai to phir mithyagyaan ko bhi sansar ka karan kyon kaha?
A. Kshayopsum se hue mithyadrasthi or samyakdrasthi ke prayojanbhoot jivadi tatvo ke yathart gyaan main to kuch difference nahin hai, in fact same gyaan is a part of kavalgyaan as well. So in that context there is no issues with the gyaan iteslf. Having said that, kshayopsum gyaan ek-ek kar ke padartho ko janta hai ek saath sab ko nahin janta hence ek samay main ek hi gey ko janta hai and owing to mithyadarshan gyaan aprayojan bhoot gey main to lagta hai per prayojan bhoot jivadi tatvo ke nirnaai main nahin lagta Which is a fault of gyaan. Jeev ki yogata hote hue bhi sahi vastu ka nirnai nahin karta is a fault of gyaan hence it is called mithyagyaan jo ki sansar ka karan hai.

In short - here is the summary of main difference between mithyagyaan and mithyadarshan
Mithyagyaan - Mithyadarshan ke nimit se, gyaan prayojan bhoot jevaid tatvo ka yatharth nirnai karne main nahin lagta so mithyagyaan.
Mithyadharshan - Jivadi tatvo ka yatharth shradhan nahin karna so mithyadarshan.

Agyaan - Jis main tatvo ka abhav hai use agyaan kehete hain. Gyaan ke abhav ko bhi agyaan kaha jata hai but here gyaan is called agyaan if there is no knowledge of tatvas.
Kugyaan - Jo gyaan se apna prayojon(sukhi hone ka/Mokshlakshmi ko pane ka) nahin nikalta use kugyaan kaha jata hai.

1 comment:

Vikas said...

Thanks for writing. Good Question/Answers.

1 correction:
Q. Mithyatva main jaise daru-lata hai vaisa samyaktva main bhi hai kya?सम्यक्त्व के दारु लता भेद नहीं है. यह भेद तो कर्म प्रकृतियों के है. इसी प्रकार क्षयोपशामिक / औपशमिक भी सम्यक्त्व के भेद कहे थे, ज्ञान के नहीं. ज्ञान के सुमति/कुमति भेद है.
जो उत्तर लिखा है, वो श्रद्धां की अपेक्षा ठीक है, ज्ञान की अपेक्षा नहीं.