Summary for 9/9/09 - Chapter 7

Class Date: September 9th, 2009
Chapter: 7
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Summary:

We talked about that we should understand Mangalcharan. The main reason for this Sansar (here Sansar does not mean wife, son etc…, Sansar means the cause of rebirth) is Mithyattva. Whatever happens (even if we die), we should think how we can remove Mithathatv.

We discussed further about Nichayabhassi Mithadarshi. We discussed that Jiv and Karama are different from NichayNay but there is Nimit and Namitik relationship between them.

Then Nichayabhassi Mithadarshi argues that we should not get into thinking of (Vikalap) Bandth and Mukt because in Sashastra it is written that the Jiv who believes that he is with Bondage or Mukt is definitely Bandha Jiv.

Answer: The reason is that Jiv thinks about each Paryay, thinks about Karma and its result. For that person Muni says that you are thinking about Paryay Budhi all the time and not thinking about one Dhruv Atma or you are not focusing on Atma which is the cause of ultimate happiness. Vikas give good example for person who is getting married and if he is giving importance(Bhav) to all other relatives of future wife except his future wife. For that person people will advise him that please try focus or make your wife happy, and other relatives will be happy automatically. Same way Muni gives advice to NichayaAhabaski Mithadarshi that your aim (Laksh) should be Atma. Then we gave example of car – accelerator and break. Then we discussed that by looking at DravyaDarha, Jiv is Dhruv, but from Prayay it is changing. Then we discussed about Gun – we talked that Gun means which is in all places and in all Prayays. Then we gave example of river to compare with Atma. Like river flows, Atma has Parya but it remain same, similarly Atma remains same as GyanMay but its Prayay changes all time. So Parya Darshi se Anitya, but from Dharya Darshi se Nitya.

Then we discussed that in Jinvani there are many Nays and some place Acharya tells from Nishkaya Nay and some place Acharya tells from Varhay Nays depending upon person who is receiving the Updesh. Then we discussed that that this type of (NichayaAhabaski ) Mithadarshi does not understand thing in right context – for example "Jiv is Sidh Saman" that was from Dharya Drashti and Mithadarshi understood from Parya Darshi, "Jiv has Keval Kgyan" and "Jiv is without Karam-NoKarma" that was from Shakti point of view, this Mithadarshi understood from Parya Darshi. And list goes on.

Then we talked that this Mithadarshi thinks just by thinking about just having Sudhoupyog is Moksh Marg, but that person does not think that at the same time removal of Rag-Dersh is also needed. IOW, that person is happy just by talk of Sudhoupyog, but not doing anything toward that Sudhoupyog (removal of Rag-Dersh). Then we discussed that there are many cases in history that some people like Banarasidasji who started living in home like Muni (Nagna) by just thinking that the is Muni. So that sort of Mithadarshi does not put efforts to removal of Rag-Dersh. Then we discussed that SudhaAtma Anubh (realization of soul) does not happen without Seven Tatava's Sardhan. If anybody thinks otherwise, he is Mithadarshi. First person thinks Aashary and Bandh are cause of painful, then Samav, Nijara are cause of happiness and Moksh is ultimate happiness. So SudhaAtma Anubh is last step.

The last 10 minutes was little difficult to describe here and will be continue next lecture.

Sanjay Shah.